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Release data of the "original" map series
I saw a lot of "original" map series map item without this parameter infobox.
First problem: base on patch note it seems there is another map series in closed beta, which all the item were wiped in version 0.10.0. The T1 Map of the original series is area level 66, thus making the line in Version 0.9.11c "Level 60 Maps can now drop from monsters in all areas of Merciless Act Two" not quite make sense (it is talking about ilvl or area level? It is still the same map item/icon? is it relvl at the start of open beta?). It is not that possible to trace all release date of the item (either map or other item in Category:Items without a release version), so would 0.10.0 be a good arbitrary point if the item seems already exist in closed beta? (evidence like mentioned in patch note)
Second problem. For the subsequent map series, should the release date parameter use the initial date that the map was introduced, or that map series? (Likes, there is no new map type for a few leagues (last one was 3.1), so we put Map of Harvest map series with |release_version = 3.11.0 or the initial date? Since Template:Item/doc and Path of Exile Wiki talk:Community portal/Archive 7#New map confirm to use initial data but new map export has changed back to splitting the release date behavior. Neokowloon (talk) 15:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Consistency issue with Solaris upgrade
Since these are major changes I just want to inform everyone that I created Template:Navbox Pantheon which I hope is okay, and also created all the pages for the souls eg. Soul of Solaris. However one issue has come up with Solaris:
As per our Pantheon database it says that Solaris has 3 upgrades:
- Capture Vision of Justice in Orchard Map
- Capture Eater of Souls in Core Map
- Capture Kitava, The Destroyer in Lava Lake Map
However when you check the capture souls items, there is no such soul for "Vision of Justice", instead you can only find "Captured Soul of The Gorgon", the full list can be found on the navbox:
- Module Error: No results found for item using search term "item_name = Captured Soul of The Gorgon"
- Module Error: No results found for item using search term "item_name = Captured Soul of Eater of Souls"
- Module Error: No results found for item using search term "item_name = Captured Soul of Kitava, The Destroyer"
Therefore this is a consistency issue in our database. Which one is correct? I would think "The Gorgon" because we have an actual item. Anyone has any idea how to proceed with this?
Wonderfl (Reply) 11:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Vision of Justice is in fact the boss whose soul you need to capture. If you check on poedb, it shows that Captured Soul of Vision of Justice has the same flavor text as Module Error: No results found for item using search term "item_name = Captured Soul of The Gorgon". I'm fairly sure that this is an error on the wiki. Captured Soul of The Gorgon was changed at some point to Captured Soul of Vision of Justice, but the article wasn't properly updated. —Vini (t|c) 20:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- In each league the boss need to be captured will change, but the metadata id is static. In that case, move the item to the new boss and may be delete the redirect.
- And Wonderfl, your template is not helpful. We already had Template:Pantheon which use data mine data. Either you change your template into cargo or you update the template each league Neokowloon (talk) 14:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- You call all of my contributions not helpful. I'm getting used to it by now. I'm sure everyone understands that a navbox serves a different purpose than a generated data grid. A navbox is for grouping related content together which I think it accomplishes quite well. Wonderfl (Reply) 10:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Apart from the redundancy, which I addressed on the navbox's talk page, the navbox seems fine. What Neokowloon is saying is that the navbox will have to be updated every time the captured soul items change. Proliferation of ongoing manual maintenance tasks is a real issue that we need to consider. —Vini (t|c) 11:32, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Steps to create fated items
Hi,
I've created a section for the steps to create Death's Opus, which is a popular fated item. The admin Vinifera mentioned that I should discuss it, as it applies to all the fated items as well.
As a player, seeing "Ingredient: The Bowstring's Music, Death's Harp" in the "Item acquisition" section does not convey any useful information. If I had to redirect a friend who knew nothing about fated weapons to that section, I'm sure he would not be able to create the weapon on his own. Therefore I created the "steps" section to make it easy and accessible to all. This is the justification.
Now as for my proposal, I'm willing to create the same "Steps" section for all the fated items using the information on this page as the primary source, however the community needs to be fine with it. So what say, people, is it okay for me to do so?
Wonderfl (Reply) 18:13, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- We already had the prophecy article and the article already had step by step and no need to repeat in the unique item. This is the consensus of wiki editors. Neokowloon (talk) 14:05, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Why do you give your opinion and call it "consensus of wiki editors"? Apart from yourself no one has even replied to this post! Its quite surprising how you constantly misrepresent yourself as "editors" when in fact you are one editor. At least give the other editors/admins a chance to pitch in before declaring "consensus"! Wonderfl (Reply) 10:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Filtering beastcrafting recipes does not work
I added support in Module:Bestiary for filtering using the param "q_where" but it doesn't work, see:
Aspect of the Avian can be beastcrafted onto rare equipment with an open suffix (an available suffix), using the following recipe:
Category | Description | Notes | Components |
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Add a Mod to a Life or Mana Flask | Adds "of Convection" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Life or Mana Flask | Adds "of Damping" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Life or Mana Flask | Adds "of Earthing" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Life or Mana Flask | Adds "of Sealing" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Life or Mana Flask | Adds "of the Antitoxin" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Life or Mana Flask | Adds "of Warding" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Utility Flask | Adds "of the Conger" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Utility Flask | Adds "of the Deer" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Utility Flask | Adds "of the Lizard" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Utility Flask | Adds "of the Skunk" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Add a Mod to a Utility Flask | Adds "of the Urchin" | Requires Flask to have no existing Suffix | 1x level 20+ Rare Any Creature |
Apply a Hinekora's Lock | To a Magic Item | 1x Craicic Chimeral 1x The Black Mórrigan | |
Convert this Unique Item | Into Another Random Unique Item | 1x Fenumal Scorpion | |
Corrupt an Item | Double Corrupt a Map | 1x Craicic Vassal 1x Fenumal Scorpion | |
Corrupt an Item | To have 30% Quality | Only works on armour and weapons | 1x Craicic Vassal |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Aspect of the Avian skill | 1x Saqawal, First of the Sky | |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Aspect of the Cat skill | 1x Farrul, First of the Plains | |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Aspect of the Crab skill | 1x Craiceann, First of the Deep | |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Aspect of the Spider skill | 1x Fenumus, First of the Night | |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Level 30 Aspect of the Avian skill | 1x Saqawal, First of the Sky 1x The Black Mórrigan | |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Level 30 Aspect of the Cat skill | 1x Farrul, First of the Plains 1x The Black Mórrigan | |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Level 30 Aspect of the Crab skill | 1x Craiceann, First of the Deep 1x The Black Mórrigan | |
Craft an Aspect Skill onto an Item | Level 30 Aspect of the Spider skill | 1x Fenumus, First of the Night 1x The Black Mórrigan | |
Create a Rare | Talisman | 1x Craicic Squid | |
Create a Unique | Amulet | 1x Farric Chieftain | |
Create a Unique | Belt | 1x Farric Ape | |
Create a Unique | Body Armour | 1x Farric Ursa | |
Create a Unique | Boots | 1x Saqawine Retch | |
Create a Unique | Bow | 1x Farric Goliath | |
Create a Unique | Claw or Dagger | 1x Craicic Watcher | |
Create a Unique | Flask | 1x Farric Goatman | |
Create a Unique | Gloves | 1x Fenumal Widow | |
Create a Unique | Helmet | 1x Farric Gargantuan | |
Create a Unique | Item | 1x Craicic Savage Crab | |
Create a Unique | Mace or Sceptre | 1x Saqawine Cobra | |
Create a Unique | Map | 1x Farric Taurus | |
Create a Unique | Ring | 1x Farric Flame Hellion Alpha | |
Create a Unique | Shield or Quiver | 1x Fenumal Devourer | |
Create a Unique | Staff | 1x Fenumal Queen | |
Create a Unique | Sword or Axe | 1x Saqawine Blood Viper | |
Create a Unique | Wand | 1x Fenumal Scrabbler | |
Create an Imprint | Of a Magic Item | 1x Craicic Chimeral | |
Create an Item | 23% Quality Corrupted Gem | 1x Farric Magma Hound | |
Create an Item | Fully-linked Six-socket Rare | 1x Saqawine Vulture | |
Create an Item | Level 21 Corrupted Gem | 1x Farric Pit Hound | |
Create an Item | Shaper Guardian, Elder Guardian or Conqueror Map | 1x Vivid Abberarach | |
Create an Item | Synthesis Unique Map | 1x Primal Rhex Matriarch | |
Create Currency Items | A Stack of 10 Random Currency | 1x Saqawine Chimeral | |
Create Currency Items | A Stack of 2 Orbs of Binding | 1x Craicic Sand Spitter 1x Craicic Shield Crab | |
Create Currency Items | A Stack of 3 Orbs of Horizons | 1x Farric Frost Hellion Alpha 1x Farric Gargantuan | |
Create Currency Items | A Stack of 4 Jeweller's Orbs | 1x Craicic Shield Crab | |
Create Currency Items | A Stack of 8 Chromatic Orbs | 1x Saqawine Rhoa | |
Create Currency Items | Orb of Fusing | 1x Craicic Sand Spitter | |
Gain Atlas Crafts | Gain a free use of each Map Crafting Option | 1x Primal Crushclaw | |
Gain Atlas Crafts | Gain Five Kirac Missions | Colour of Missions based on Level of Red Beast | 1x Primal Cystcaller |
Modify an Item | to Have Maximum Possible Links | 1x Craicic Sand Spitter 1x The Black Mórrigan | |
Modify an Item | to Have Maximum Possible Number of Sockets | 1x Craicic Shield Crab 1x The Black Mórrigan | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a crafted Meta-modifier to a non-Unique Item | 1x Wild Bristle Matron | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Mod to a Crusader Item | 1x Farric Goliath 1x Craicic Maw | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Mod to a Hunter Item | 1x Craicic Watcher 1x Craicic Maw | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Mod to a Rare Map | Only works on rare maps | 1x Craicic Savage Crab 1x Saqawine Cobra |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Mod to a Redeemer Item | 1x Fenumal Queen 1x Craicic Maw | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Mod to a Shaper Item | 1x Fenumal Devourer 1x Craicic Maw | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Mod to a Warlord Item | 1x Fenumal Scrabbler 1x Craicic Maw | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Mod to an Elder Item | 1x Saqawine Blood Viper 1x Craicic Maw | |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Prefix, Remove a Random Suffix | Only works on rare items | 1x Farric Wolf Alpha |
Modify Mods on an Item | Add a Suffix, Remove a Random Prefix | Only works on rare items | 1x Farric Lynx Alpha |
Modify Mods on an Item | Reroll a Watcher's Eye Modifier | Cannot reroll Maximum Life, Mana or Energy Shield modifiers | 1x Wild Hellion Alpha |
Open a Portal | to Craiceann's Cove | 1x Craicic Spider Crab | |
Open a Portal | to Farrul's Den | 1x Farric Tiger Alpha | |
Open a Portal | to Fenumus' Lair | 1x Fenumal Hybrid Arachnid | |
Open a Portal | to Saqawal's Roost | 1x Saqawine Rhex | |
Split an Item | Into Three Items, with Two Mods on Each Item | Does not work on Influenced or Split items | 1x Fenumal Plagued Arachnid 1x The Black Mórrigan |
Split an Item | Into Two Items, with Half the Mods on Each Item | Does not work on Influenced or Split items | 1x Fenumal Plagued Arachnid |
Transform an Item | from an Amulet into a Talisman | Does not work on Influenced items | 1x Farric Frost Hellion Alpha |
Transform an Item | Increase level of non-Corrupted Awakened Gem by 1 | 1x Wild Brambleback | |
Transform an Item | Reroll a Synthesis Implicit Modifier | 1x Vivid Vulture | |
Transform an Item | Reroll an Awakened Support Gem | Cannot result in Awakened Empower, Enhance or Enlighten | 1x Vivid Watcher |
Why doesn't it work? I used the correct column name and table name and the query looks OK.
Wonderfl (Reply) 07:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Items prices from POE Ninja
I come from the Runescape wiki which has integrated with the RS Grand Exchange to get upto date prices. This allows very complex maths that ends up being very useful. For example this section here allows us to calculate the cost of various combat boosts (called perks) because we have the pricing data.
So is it possible for us to integrate with Poe.Ninja to get current league/standard league prices for all items? I'm a programmer so I might be able to help with the development effort.
- It's an interesting idea. I would want to be careful about how it's presented though. The prices on poe.ninja are not facts about the game; they are listing prices scraped from the public stash tab API, if I'm not mistaken. —Vini (t|c) 08:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- That is true, sadly there is no factual data of the prices of items. Perhaps we can restrict the usage to only certain categories of items like uniques, or skill gems or a few things like this of course excluding magic/rare weapons and things. Currency/essence/fossil/catalyst/oil/orbs prices are the most stable, and unique prices are OK if you take into account the number of links. Generally a unique will be 10c for <=4L, 1ex for 5L and 10ex for 6L. So maybe we will have to show multiple rates on the wiki (4L, 5L, 6L), or ban uniques completely. But I would like to see some prices coming up, especially for stable items listed below, preferably on the infobox of the item, and also usable in table form where players can sort by price, for example to find the cheapest fossil / essence for their crafting, is one good use. Wonderfl (Reply) 11:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- In terms of coding, we just need one coded template that can provide the price of a single item. With this alone we can manage all functionality. In RS Wiki we have:
{{Price|Metallic Fossil|2}}
which will get the price of 2 x Metallic Fossil. Later on we can support math:{{Coins|{{Price|Metallic Fossil}}+({{Price|Dense Fossil}}*2)+{{Price|Powerful Resonator}}}}
which will get the combined prices and then format them with a "coins" icon (Coins template). Perhaps here we'll have to use Chaos orbs as the base, and dynamically switch to Exalt if the value exceeds 100 or whatever the current rate is. Wonderfl (Reply) 11:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- In terms of coding, we just need one coded template that can provide the price of a single item. With this alone we can manage all functionality. In RS Wiki we have:
- I'm willing to code it, if you give me literally any info on how to proceed. I can give you the table schema, and the script written in any language. But you'll have to tell me which language and where to write it, whether it will be a hosted script or written right here on the wiki in Lua. We'll have to setup a daily call to that script. Then I'll see libraries that can parse the JSON and read it into MySQL. And then finally the Price check template that will fetch a MySQL record and display the price in Chaos/Exalt. Wonderfl (Reply) 11:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- So far I have identified 13 categories of items with stable prices - Wonderfl (Reply) 11:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- On the RS Wiki they use a big fat data file stored right on the wiki as a data source for the item prices. The file is probably updated by another script on a daily basis. Its probably faster to execute than using MySQL although we can use either one... Wonderfl (Reply) 11:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- unique roll affect the price of the item and poe.ninja often fails to reflect that and usually the first page of search result is full of price fixer (which poe.ninja apparently index it) so the answer is no, it does not really help. Moreover, at league end the item worth 1c is not really the same as the price at league start. Neokowloon (talk) 13:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- You don't even read do you, did I ever mention any items that have a unique roll? No. I only mentioned items with fixed/stable prices already LISTED in the link click here. Honestly if you say NO to everything it appears like you don't want anything to change or improve around here. - Wonderfl (Reply) 15:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Calm down. Neokowloon brought up a very valid point. Although your idea is interesting to me from a technical perspective, I'm still unsure about whether it is really suitable for the wiki to show prices scraped from indexers. —Vini (t|c) 09:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Haha, thanks Vinifera, but honestly if its not going to be used even for currency/fossils/other categories I mentioned, then it will be a waste of time to develop. Yet, let me know if you are willing to add the prices for those item categories, and I can try to develop it. -- Wonderfl (Reply) 06:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'd like to get the opinions of other editors. —Vini (t|c) 10:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- As I only play HC I get a little sad there's no columns for HC prices. :( So there's 8 prices to keep track of. Should we handle the (more popular?) extra 1 month race leagues that goes parallel with them as well, then that's 12 columns. I think implementing on the wiki is quite doable, we have already blobs of data in modules too, see Category:Data_modules, but we would probably store to cargo tables (aka MySQL), then add the columns in
{{item table}}
. But I think item pricing is too volatile for us and there's also so many clever nerds that will figure out a way to game the system. So it's not only just creating a bot that parses the poeninja data for the next 5 years but the bot will probably need clever algorithms for handling outliers and update the algorithms over time to counter the clever price fixers. Quite a challenging problem that also requires endurance. --Illviljan (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC)- Good points. I hadn't even considered the fact that pricing will most certainly vary by league. I was thinking we could do something more along the lines of a little sidebar widget that links out to the item on external websites like poe.ninja and the official trade website. That wouldn't require any bots and it would avoid presenting prices on the wiki in a way that appears authoritative. Vinifera7 (talk) 00:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- I would say i would agree to add some support to link to official trade site and let player to decide to believe the price of the first page of the search result. There are other price tracking site such as poeprices.info (and there are other site that seem also link to rmt, those new sites without rmt). I don't like the idea of wiki seems endorsing poe.ninja as the only price checking site. Neokowloon (talk) 11:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Good points. I hadn't even considered the fact that pricing will most certainly vary by league. I was thinking we could do something more along the lines of a little sidebar widget that links out to the item on external websites like poe.ninja and the official trade website. That wouldn't require any bots and it would avoid presenting prices on the wiki in a way that appears authoritative. Vinifera7 (talk) 00:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- As I only play HC I get a little sad there's no columns for HC prices. :( So there's 8 prices to keep track of. Should we handle the (more popular?) extra 1 month race leagues that goes parallel with them as well, then that's 12 columns. I think implementing on the wiki is quite doable, we have already blobs of data in modules too, see Category:Data_modules, but we would probably store to cargo tables (aka MySQL), then add the columns in
Content fork
Ok, the content fork issue need to be dealt with.
Divination card drop location in Headhunter article
The step for the PROPHECY in Death's Opus article instead of stay in The Bowstring's Music
"Duping" step of the Blueprint in Fenumal Plagued Arachnid article
List of ALL Delve node in Abyssal Depths (Delve) article, instead of possible one
And this is not the full list of not so constructive edits
Admins , User:OmegaK2, User:Illviljan, User:Vinifera7 are there any consensus that hyperlink exist in this wiki so that no need to copy the same content copy and paste everywhere? Neokowloon (talk) 07:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Divination card drop location in Headhunter article
- The main issue with listing divination card drop locations on the Headhunter article, as they currently are, is that it might be fairly painstaking to keep up to date. Drop locations for divination cards change from time to time, don't they?
- The step for the PROPHECY in Death's Opus article instead of stay in The Bowstring's Music
- I'm not opposed to this at all; in fact, I like it. It makes total sense to include a step-by-step guide to obtaining Death's Opus on its own article. A similar treatment could be applied to the other articles for fated unique items, as long as we can come up with a good format.
- "Duping" step of the Blueprint in Fenumal Plagued Arachnid article
- I'm not sure I understand the issue here.
- List of ALL Delve node in Abyssal Depths (Delve) article, instead of possible one
- I don't see the problem with this one.
- —Vini (t|c) 09:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm fine with deleting the section of divination card drops of HH. I was just trying to compile a list / methods of farming HH should anyone try to farm one on their own. I wanted to add steps for Ancient orb HH farming as well but I don't know it and if its out of scope it can be left out. The other sections I feel are useful, like Vinifera said. Wonderfl (Reply) 10:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
About pages for map items
There's a page for every single map base from every generation, and it's a mess of nearly identical and not so useful pages. My idea is to instead have a single page for every map base, which would mention legacy versions with old tiers and icons. What do you think, anyone? --OneMore (talk) 21:26, 9 January 2021 (UTC)