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=Post below=
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==breaking things==
== Dangers of reflect section ==
Could you please not introduce capitalisations where they are not appropriate.
Also a lot of your edits contain incorrect grammar.
[[User:Supernovah|Supernovah]] ([[User talk:Supernovah|talk]]) 11:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


:If the game capitalize it , then sometimes it should be capitalized. For status icon text in the wiki (or direct quote of the dialogue, etc), they should 100% the same as in-game text, which GGG capitalize the words. While in wiki it is Chilled Ground as per in-game wording or "chilled ground" according to grammar, good to discussion the consensus. "chilled ground" are more relatively generic noun, but how about [[Corruption of the Awakener]], should it be "corruption of the Awakener" or follow the in-game wording "Corruption of the Awakener" as treat it as proper noun? (other example like "Weight of Despair").
Hello, you recently reverted an edit I made removing the "Dangers of damage reflection" section from the damage reflection wiki page. I made a section in the talk page where we can discuss this further? [[User:SerpentofSet|SerpentofSet]] ([[User talk:SerpentofSet|talk]]) 02:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


:While for the typo and grammar, yeah i am not a native English speaker so sometimes i made mistake. Mind to fix the stockpile of outdated content like most of the map article to share the burden? [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 11:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
== Regarding your reverts ==


::For the lab (the edit in [[Trial of Ascendancy]]). GGG call it the Merciless Labyrinth as proper noun in-game .... [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 11:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
The reason why I put ''Metamorph'' map is because the [[Template:Item link]] is not working with Graveyard Map, Academy Map, Iceberg Map and Ivory Temple Map, however the link in the text itself was not pointing to Metamorph series but to the base map, but you should know this better. Instead of mass reverting my editions. The link was purely visual for the effect of the hover.


:::With regards to capitalisations, there is a [[Path of Exile Wiki:Manual of Style#Use British English|style guide]] that covers this. In the case of the capitalisation of that it depends upon the context of its usage. If it is used in a sentence as a noun-phrase it is appropriate to correctly capitalise it. However if it is not, then it does not require capitalisation and hence the alternate form:
This works {{il|page=Graveyard Map (Metamorph)|link=Graveyard Map}}
:::<pre>[[Article Name|alternative text]]</pre>
:::In the case of the ''merciless labyrinth'' this is an adjective followed by a noun. The ''Merciless labyrinth'' can operate as a noun-phrase in its own article title, but otherwise it is not.
:::[[User:Supernovah|Supernovah]] ([[User talk:Supernovah|talk]]) 11:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


While this does not {{il|Graveyard Map}}.


::::You should discuss with other editor especially admin about renaming Merciless Labyrinth (or the name of 3 other labs) to not capitalized....It affect a lot of article likes [[The Lord's Labyrinth]]. Good place to place this discussion may be [[Talk:The Lord's Labyrinth]] or [[Path of Exile Wiki talk:Community portal]] [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 12:10, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
So, could you please revert your edits or should I do it myself? --[[User:Eduemoni|Eduemoni]] ([[User talk:Eduemoni|talk]]) 00:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


:::::I don't want to rename the page, the capitalisation is correct on its page. When I reference it I don't necessarily want to incorrectly capitalise it though as it looks weird and is wrong. [[User:Supernovah|Supernovah]] ([[User talk:Supernovah|talk]]) 12:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
:Eduemoni, just use <nowiki>[[Graveyard Map]]</nowiki>. [[Graveyard Map (Metamorph)]] is not the main article of the map and contain no info. You way still show up the wrong map icon. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


::::::So, you means Merciless Labyrinth is mentioned correctly in the main body of [[The Lord's Labyrinth]], but not correct in the main body of the article for the [[Trial of Ascendancy]]??? [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]])


== Moves ==
:Also, once the map is back on atlas. Your way will just add strain to other to fix it again. So that just remove il for every link to main map article is fine. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
::No, it will not. Compare changing {{code|[[Graveyard Map]]}} to {{code|<nowiki>{{il:Graveyard Map}}</nowiki>}} while changing {{code|<nowiki>{{il|page=Graveyard Map (Invasion)|link=Graveyard Map}}</nowiki>}} to {{code|<nowiki>{{il|Graveyard Map}}</nowiki>}}. It will even be helpful. --[[User:Eduemoni|Eduemoni]] ([[User talk:Eduemoni|talk]]) 15:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


Hi, can you tell me why you moved [[:File:Heist ember auto scout monster screenshot.png]] to [[:File:Ember Auto-Scout.png]]?
::: I'm not certain why the <code>|link=</code> parameter even exists. It really shouldn't ever be used. You're better off leaving it as a plain link for now until I get around to improving the template to better handle map series. —[[User:Vinifera7|Vini]] ([[User talk:Vinifera7|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Vinifera7|c]]) 15:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


I have maintained the proper format by adding "monster screenshot" as a postfix, so why did you change it?
:::: <code>|link=</code> do have its function in mentioning the map in patch note. E.g. the very old patch note that mentioning new T10 map and use the Original map series as icon. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 16:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


I have added around 100 images, so are you planning on renaming all the images? If so, you could have told me and I would have uploaded in the correct format. Anyway, if you think its a better format I agree with you and then all the images must be renamed, otherwise it will be a mess.
== Unleash article ==


[[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Wonderfl|Reply]])</sup> 15:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Added the formulas.--[[User:Candy|Candy]] ([[User talk:Candy|talk]]) 22:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


:Because you did not read the right naming convention of [[Template:MonsterBox]].......which use png. The monster data page under "Monster" namespace use the template [[Template:Monster]] which use jpg and another naming convention.... Also you still did not add cat to it and i don't want to stalk all your pic and fix it one by one. Instead, may be calling out admin to "fix" you may be faster..... [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 15:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
== stl Template ==


::Calling out admin to "fix" me? Is that a threat? Look I'm the first editor to add any info/pics about Heist so you should be giving me your thanks. Instead you are threatening me? I don't understand why you are behaving like this. Also, you said I did not read the "naming convention of MonsterBox" but there is no naming convention mentioned in there. [[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Wonderfl|Reply]])</sup> 15:16, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
I recently thought about an updated stl that has the same functionallity as Item link, are there any current plans to implement something like this


:::I had told you to add cat on 25 December and apparently you never read or reply....which [[:File:Heist firebuzz group monster screenshot.png ]] nowhere the "correct" naming convention of either templates. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 15:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
== Editing and commenting attitude ==


::::When had you told me? There is no messages on my talk page. If you wish to send a message, you should use talk pages. Secondly, you said that "monster screenshot" is incorrect, in that case you should check out [[Rusty_Crusher]] and [https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/GDB0-Y?oldid=653087] which are images uploaded by other people and all images of monsters have "monster screenshot" postfix. Thus I have followed that convention. Instead of doing whatever YOU want and accusing other editors of not following convention, perhaps you should go around and edit all such pages instead of threatening to "fix" me or any such thing. [[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Wonderfl|Reply]])</sup> 15:21, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
You should consider dialing back your overly-aggressive attitude toward editors and over-editing people's work. One thing is to contribute to standardizing things in the wiki and contributing toward the improvement of the project overall, and another is being overly critical of people's work to the extent that you are editing their work to match your very specific wants and needs. People contribute to this wiki for free, and are donating their time and effort to do so. You make others not want to contribute at all, which is a detriment to the project in general. --[[User:Vanlioko|Vanlioko]] ([[User talk:Vanlioko|talk]]) 05:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


:::::learn to use the wiki then.....[[UserProfile:Wonderfl]]. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 15:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:It is not constructive if you edit someone else signature as well as use your own level 1 title page style while almost every other articles use level 2. It is acceptable for lack of game knowledge such as mixing up league and expansion. (e.g. this expansion 3.20 have mid-league mini-race league, aka "event", so that expansion never equal to league)  


:::::As I said, there is two templates in the wiki [[Template:MonsterBox]] and [[Template:Monster]]. There is no affix for MonsterBox default, which allow the image parameter unspecified or override . While [[Template:Monster]] use the naming convention of "monster name" + monster screenshot.jpg, and due to the code, cannot override. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 15:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:But, the fundamental of wiki project is : the edit will be judged by other, and instead of outright revert back and forth, communicate with the editor and forming consensus. I am well patient enough for not nuke all of your edit and give out block. But if you want to assume bad faith on me, you can request a block . [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 11:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


::::::If there is no convention, then I am not forced to rename the monster picture. I will try to do it but its tough as there are 100 images. [[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Wonderfl|Reply]])</sup> 15:33, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:: Your attitude continues to come off as smug and unpleasant. Don't let an ego-trip like attitude overshadow your contributions to the wiki. Calling out "lack of game knowledge" is rude, and fundamentally wrong when you're missing the point that was made in the suggestion (no one is conflating both league and expansion, but rather suggesting that giving users a view of leagues and expansions side by side chronologically may be helpful for those interested in changes to the game, akin to what is provided in [[Version history]]. With comments like these, one does not need to "assume" bad faith.


== Moves for templates ==
:: If you are editing other people's work, please make sure that you are checking your grammar and syntax when adding sentences or changing existing text. Several edits that you made to the [[League]] page I had to go back and fix myself. Moreover, when changing other people's edits, try to limit it to specific issues you find and not things that are personal preference to you. Furthermore, when calling out errors in an article, don't assume that terminology used in titles is newly introduced by the current editor and call them out without doing your due diligence (example: the use of the term "League Flags" was present in the [[League]] article before my first editing pass (https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=League&oldid=1321018).


Also, you have moved [[List of Heist Locations]] to [[List of heist locations]] for no apparent reason? I would prefer the "Heist Locations" as its in proper case.
:: Lastly, don't assume that everyone is a veteran editor. This is a volunteer position and there's a lot of new people figuring out how the wiki works and getting used to the manual of style. If you see mistakes, be nice and constructive, or you will continue to get backlash from others. While you've been hostile from the start, I've reached out to several other editors, all who have been friendly, helpful, and constructive with their feedback. This is what I see all throughout the discord channels as well -- don't be the odd one out. All edits and criticism are welcome, as long as they are constructive.


[[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Wonderfl|Reply]])</sup> 15:14, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:: --[[User:Vanlioko|Vanlioko]] ([[User talk:Vanlioko|talk]]) 19:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


:In English grammar, why "location" is capitalised? And you should ask the admin and other community members over here [[Path of Exile Wiki talk:Community portal]] for Heist or heist . I would say heist as it is the location to carry out heist but not Heist as the league introduced even more locations that not related to carry out a heist. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 15:16, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:::It still the same. You used the existing wrong info and instead of correct it, extend the incorrect usage by calling Ruthless mode "flag". Also, the original wording was "SSF Hardcore has the hardcore and SSF flags", but you interpreted as "league flag" which is totally another thing. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 20:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


::So again, you have made a decision as per your OWN whims and fancy and accuse me of not following convention? Next time you should ask before renaming or moving anything as you are doing so for no apparent reason. [[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Wonderfl|Reply]])</sup> 15:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
== Spaces before commas ==


:::It is the problem of you not reading your "talk page " . Fandom use new talk page in your profile: [[UserProfile:Wonderfl]]. For the rest of your article / list, you should move it yourself. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 15:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi Neo.  Please remember: In English there is never a space before a comma. :)


::::OK. [[User:Wonderfl|Wonderfl]] <sup>([[User_talk:Wonderfl|Reply]])</sup> 15:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
—[[User:Nighty|Nighty]] ([[User_talk:Nighty|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Nighty|c]]) 04:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Probably casually typed the content. But can you point out where i did that? [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Or sometimes I copy and paste the stuff that accidentally also copied the space. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
:: https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=The_Feral_Lord_V&curid=16889&diff=1344359&oldid=1344358
:: —[[User:Nighty|Nighty]] ([[User_talk:Nighty|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Nighty|c]]) 10:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== "the dev" ==
 
would you please refrain from using the term "the dev"? there are 73 hits for this term on the wiki, and im pretty sure that you've written every one. 90% of the time even referring to the developers in the article's main body is unnecessary, and the last 10% "the dev" is an unprofessional & inappropriate term. "the developers", "GGG", etc. if you must. not to mention that the grammar is highly questionable, as "the dev" implies that there is one single developer. [[User:Bloonpauper|Bloonpauper]] ([[User talk:Bloonpauper|talk]]) 11:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 
== Recoup undo ==
 
I had removed the item [[Victario's Flight]] since it no longer has a [[Recoup]] mod, which was removed in 3.19. There are legacy variants that have the mod, but that doesn't warrant it being included on the page as far as I know. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small>—Preceding [[Help:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dreddie|Dreddie]] ([[User talk:Dreddie#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dreddie|contribs]]) 12:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)</small>
 
:I already said again the item is still exist and not remove from the game. Unlike some legacy item that reworked and whole mechanic disappeared . It is notable enough to mention as probably the only item on boot slot have that mod. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 12:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 
:: The current version of the boots does not have the mod. The only way to get one with it is to obtain the legacy version through trading in Standard. If legacy items are to be included, then for example [[Spirited Response]] should also be included (it is drop disabled, but still available in Standard trade). I remember reading in the Wiki guidelines that pages should mainly reflect the current state of Path of Exile - historical things should be in a separate section if really needed. [[User:Dreddie|Dreddie]] ([[User talk:Dreddie|talk]]) 13:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 
::: You are right, but legacy variants aren't historical. They exist in the game right now. I think it's okay to leave the note there. —[[User:Vinifera7|Vini]] ([[User talk:Vinifera7|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Vinifera7|c]]) 13:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 02:55, 3 October 2023

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Dangers of reflect section

Hello, you recently reverted an edit I made removing the "Dangers of damage reflection" section from the damage reflection wiki page. I made a section in the talk page where we can discuss this further? SerpentofSet (talk) 02:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your reverts

The reason why I put Metamorph map is because the Template:Item link is not working with Graveyard Map, Academy Map, Iceberg Map and Ivory Temple Map, however the link in the text itself was not pointing to Metamorph series but to the base map, but you should know this better. Instead of mass reverting my editions. The link was purely visual for the effect of the hover.

This works Graveyard MapGraveyard MapMap Level: 69
Map Tier: 2
Guild Character: N
Unknown legacies.
Untold stories.
Travel to this Map by using it in a personal Map Device. Maps can only be used once.

While this does not Graveyard MapGraveyard MapMap Level: 72
Map Tier: 5
Guild Character: N
Unknown legacies.
Untold stories.
Travel to this Map by using it in a personal Map Device. Maps can only be used once.
.

So, could you please revert your edits or should I do it myself? --Eduemoni (talk) 00:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Eduemoni, just use [[Graveyard Map]]. Graveyard Map (Metamorph) is not the main article of the map and contain no info. You way still show up the wrong map icon. Neokowloon (talk) 10:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


Also, once the map is back on atlas. Your way will just add strain to other to fix it again. So that just remove il for every link to main map article is fine. Neokowloon (talk) 10:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
No, it will not. Compare changing [[Graveyard Map]] to {{il:Graveyard Map}} while changing {{il|page=Graveyard Map (Invasion)|link=Graveyard Map}} to {{il|Graveyard Map}}. It will even be helpful. --Eduemoni (talk) 15:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm not certain why the |link= parameter even exists. It really shouldn't ever be used. You're better off leaving it as a plain link for now until I get around to improving the template to better handle map series. —Vini (t|c) 15:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
|link= do have its function in mentioning the map in patch note. E.g. the very old patch note that mentioning new T10 map and use the Original map series as icon. Neokowloon (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Unleash article

Added the formulas.--Candy (talk) 22:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

stl Template

I recently thought about an updated stl that has the same functionallity as Item link, are there any current plans to implement something like this

Editing and commenting attitude

You should consider dialing back your overly-aggressive attitude toward editors and over-editing people's work. One thing is to contribute to standardizing things in the wiki and contributing toward the improvement of the project overall, and another is being overly critical of people's work to the extent that you are editing their work to match your very specific wants and needs. People contribute to this wiki for free, and are donating their time and effort to do so. You make others not want to contribute at all, which is a detriment to the project in general. --Vanlioko (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

It is not constructive if you edit someone else signature as well as use your own level 1 title page style while almost every other articles use level 2. It is acceptable for lack of game knowledge such as mixing up league and expansion. (e.g. this expansion 3.20 have mid-league mini-race league, aka "event", so that expansion never equal to league)
But, the fundamental of wiki project is : the edit will be judged by other, and instead of outright revert back and forth, communicate with the editor and forming consensus. I am well patient enough for not nuke all of your edit and give out block. But if you want to assume bad faith on me, you can request a block . Neokowloon (talk) 11:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Your attitude continues to come off as smug and unpleasant. Don't let an ego-trip like attitude overshadow your contributions to the wiki. Calling out "lack of game knowledge" is rude, and fundamentally wrong when you're missing the point that was made in the suggestion (no one is conflating both league and expansion, but rather suggesting that giving users a view of leagues and expansions side by side chronologically may be helpful for those interested in changes to the game, akin to what is provided in Version history. With comments like these, one does not need to "assume" bad faith.
If you are editing other people's work, please make sure that you are checking your grammar and syntax when adding sentences or changing existing text. Several edits that you made to the League page I had to go back and fix myself. Moreover, when changing other people's edits, try to limit it to specific issues you find and not things that are personal preference to you. Furthermore, when calling out errors in an article, don't assume that terminology used in titles is newly introduced by the current editor and call them out without doing your due diligence (example: the use of the term "League Flags" was present in the League article before my first editing pass (https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=League&oldid=1321018).
Lastly, don't assume that everyone is a veteran editor. This is a volunteer position and there's a lot of new people figuring out how the wiki works and getting used to the manual of style. If you see mistakes, be nice and constructive, or you will continue to get backlash from others. While you've been hostile from the start, I've reached out to several other editors, all who have been friendly, helpful, and constructive with their feedback. This is what I see all throughout the discord channels as well -- don't be the odd one out. All edits and criticism are welcome, as long as they are constructive.
--Vanlioko (talk) 19:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
It still the same. You used the existing wrong info and instead of correct it, extend the incorrect usage by calling Ruthless mode "flag". Also, the original wording was "SSF Hardcore has the hardcore and SSF flags", but you interpreted as "league flag" which is totally another thing. Neokowloon (talk) 20:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Spaces before commas

Hi Neo. Please remember: In English there is never a space before a comma.  :)

Nighty (t|c) 04:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Probably casually typed the content. But can you point out where i did that? Neokowloon (talk) 10:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Or sometimes I copy and paste the stuff that accidentally also copied the space. Neokowloon (talk) 10:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=The_Feral_Lord_V&curid=16889&diff=1344359&oldid=1344358
Nighty (t|c) 10:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

"the dev"

would you please refrain from using the term "the dev"? there are 73 hits for this term on the wiki, and im pretty sure that you've written every one. 90% of the time even referring to the developers in the article's main body is unnecessary, and the last 10% "the dev" is an unprofessional & inappropriate term. "the developers", "GGG", etc. if you must. not to mention that the grammar is highly questionable, as "the dev" implies that there is one single developer. Bloonpauper (talk) 11:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Recoup undo

I had removed the item Victario's Flight since it no longer has a Recoup mod, which was removed in 3.19. There are legacy variants that have the mod, but that doesn't warrant it being included on the page as far as I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreddie (talkcontribs) 12:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I already said again the item is still exist and not remove from the game. Unlike some legacy item that reworked and whole mechanic disappeared . It is notable enough to mention as probably the only item on boot slot have that mod. Neokowloon (talk) 12:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
The current version of the boots does not have the mod. The only way to get one with it is to obtain the legacy version through trading in Standard. If legacy items are to be included, then for example Spirited Response should also be included (it is drop disabled, but still available in Standard trade). I remember reading in the Wiki guidelines that pages should mainly reflect the current state of Path of Exile - historical things should be in a separate section if really needed. Dreddie (talk) 13:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
You are right, but legacy variants aren't historical. They exist in the game right now. I think it's okay to leave the note there. —Vini (t|c) 13:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)