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[[User:Niightblade|<span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #11ffff;"><abbr title="02:27, 30 August 2019 (UTC)">Niightblade</abbr></span>]]([[User_talk:Niightblade|t]]) — Hi!  Could you please remember to provide a summary when editing pages?  It makes it heaps easier to work out what's been changed.  Thanks.
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== Dangers of reflect section ==


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Hello, you recently reverted an edit I made removing the "Dangers of damage reflection" section from the damage reflection wiki page. I made a section in the talk page where we can discuss this further? [[User:SerpentofSet|SerpentofSet]] ([[User talk:SerpentofSet|talk]]) 02:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


You added a "citation needed" to the Atlas of Worlds page where I wrote that the game will always spawn a Conqueror in a region that still needs to drop the Watchstone, if that Conqueror is still available to spawn. That is how the system has worked for me at all times now, you an try that for yourself. What would a citation be? A "before and after"-screenshot of a region that has a certain Watchstone unobtained and then spawns the respective influence? --[[User:DoomBee|DoomBee]] ([[User talk:DoomBee|talk]]) 03:40, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
== Regarding your reverts ==


:DoomBee, I had spawned a Conqueror that i have acquired the Watchstone already in that region and the other Conquerors haven't had another other restriction to spawn . I am afraid may be there is no "priority" to spawn which Conqueror . [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 11:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
The reason why I put ''Metamorph'' map is because the [[Template:Item link]] is not working with Graveyard Map, Academy Map, Iceberg Map and Ivory Temple Map, however the link in the text itself was not pointing to Metamorph series but to the base map, but you should know this better. Instead of mass reverting my editions. The link was purely visual for the effect of the hover.


::I have never encountered this during my Atlas progression. When a wrong Conqueror spawned for me it could be explained by the influence already being taken or used up. Remember that every Conqueror can only spawn ONCE after each Sirius fight. I have before-after screenshots from my last spawns. And it's been reliable every time. I could even predict that an area that was missing the blue and yellow Watchstones would spawn the blue influence because I locked the yellow influence to a region that was only missing the yellow Watchstone. I find it hard to believe that I was just lucky so many times, especially since I am deliberately doing it. There is also always the possibility of a freak incident, a bug. The new Atlas still has some issues.--[[User:DoomBee|DoomBee]] ([[User talk:DoomBee|talk]]) 14:33, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
This works {{il|page=Graveyard Map (Metamorph)|link=Graveyard Map}}


== A little mess ==
While this does not {{il|Graveyard Map}}.
Hello can you help me pls? I did a little mess with [[Defiled_in_the_Sceptre]], picture result in a wrong position and i'm unable to fix it. tyvm --[[User:PsyCat Online|PsyCat Online]] ([[User talk:PsyCat Online|talk]]) 12:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


== Eye of Mallice: "it did not calculated that way" ==
So, could you please revert your edits or should I do it myself? --[[User:Eduemoni|Eduemoni]] ([[User talk:Eduemoni|talk]]) 00:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Can you please elaborate a bit on that? Iam very confused as to what i`ve missunderstood about the mechanic. Thanks <small>—The preceding [[gphelp:Signatures|unsigned comment]] was added by [[User:13tayler13|13tayler13]] ([[User talk:13tayler13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/13tayler13|contribs]]) 20:05, 28 February 2020</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->


:Please provide citation that GGG confirmed that "increased" ele res work with negative enemy resistance in your alleged way. Instead of you own speculation or rely on unofficial software like POB. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 21:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
:Eduemoni, just use <nowiki>[[Graveyard Map]]</nowiki>. [[Graveyard Map (Metamorph)]] is not the main article of the map and contain no info. You way still show up the wrong map icon. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


:Also, ''even'' it is true, since 3.9 GGG buffed enemy resistance , are there any practical use and worth to mention as "benefit"? LV 24 {{il|Combustion Support}} only -21% enemy fire res and <s>{{ml|DelveHelmetEnemyFireResistanceAura1}} grant -9%</s> (edit: helmet mod), still -21% to go for [[The Shaper]]'s 50% fire res. Unless you are talking a very niche build that dual curse enemy with {{il|Flammability}} and {{il|Elemental Weakness}} but the Shaper also has {{ml|MapMonsterReducedCurseEffectUber}}. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 23:39, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


:: I have reviewed your edit, 13tayler13. I think the issue is that your explanation is somewhat misleading. {{c|mod|Nearby Enemies have 50% increased Fire and Cold Resistances}} applies +50% to nearby enemies' fire and cold resistances, so you also have to take into account their other additive modifiers to fire and cold resistances. If you wish to discuss this further, please do so on [[Talk:Eye of Malice]]. —[[User:Vinifera7|Vini]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Vinifera7|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Vinifera7|c]]) 00:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
:Also, once the map is back on atlas. Your way will just add strain to other to fix it again. So that just remove il for every link to main map article is fine. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
::No, it will not. Compare changing {{code|[[Graveyard Map]]}} to {{code|<nowiki>{{il:Graveyard Map}}</nowiki>}} while changing {{code|<nowiki>{{il|page=Graveyard Map (Invasion)|link=Graveyard Map}}</nowiki>}} to {{code|<nowiki>{{il|Graveyard Map}}</nowiki>}}. It will even be helpful. --[[User:Eduemoni|Eduemoni]] ([[User talk:Eduemoni|talk]]) 15:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


==Version history==
::: I'm not certain why the <code>|link=</code> parameter even exists. It really shouldn't ever be used. You're better off leaving it as a plain link for now until I get around to improving the template to better handle map series. [[User:Vinifera7|Vini]] ([[User talk:Vinifera7|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Vinifera7|c]]) 15:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Was wondering if you knew how the the [[Template:Version history list| version history template]] works and why its not updating the [[Version history]] article with the 3.10.0 articles. --[[User:Kwwhit55531|Kwwhit55531]] ([[User talk:Kwwhit55531|talk]]) 20:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


:It is written in query. I am not a programmer but usually copy code from working section will usually work. It seem there is a limit on how many query so that you need to add parameter to lift the limit. And i have no idea on sorting either. Lastly, 3.10 is not considered as big expansion .[[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 22:20, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
:::: <code>|link=</code> do have its function in mentioning the map in patch note. E.g. the very old patch note that mentioning new T10 map and use the Original map series as icon. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 16:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


:::While agree that the delirium challenge league itself is not a major version that section seems to list major version series (3.7,3.8, etc) and then more minor version series (3.8.1,3.8.2, etc) in their own sections. The reason I linked the delirium challenge is simply for the convenience of the reader so he can see the challenge league that was released alongside the major version. I was actually following the format that was already on the page and if you look at your revert you'll see that 3.5.0 is linked along with its accompanying challenge league (betrayal). Personally I would consider 3.X versions to be major versions while 3.X.X versions would be the minor versions and this seems to be how GGG sees versioning. Thanks --[[User:Kwwhit55531|Kwwhit55531]] ([[User talk:Kwwhit55531|talk]]) 22:32, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
== Unleash article ==
 
Added the formulas.--[[User:Candy|Candy]] ([[User talk:Candy|talk]]) 22:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 
== stl Template  ==
 
I recently thought about an updated stl that has the same functionallity as Item link, are there any current plans to implement something like this
 
== Editing and commenting attitude ==
 
You should consider dialing back your overly-aggressive attitude toward editors and over-editing people's work. One thing is to contribute to standardizing things in the wiki and contributing toward the improvement of the project overall, and another is being overly critical of people's work to the extent that you are editing their work to match your very specific wants and needs. People contribute to this wiki for free, and are donating their time and effort to do so. You make others not want to contribute at all, which is a detriment to the project in general. --[[User:Vanlioko|Vanlioko]] ([[User talk:Vanlioko|talk]]) 05:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:It is not constructive if you edit someone else signature as well as use your own level 1 title page style while almost every other articles use level 2. It is acceptable for lack of game knowledge such as mixing up league and expansion. (e.g. this expansion 3.20 have mid-league mini-race league, aka "event", so that expansion never equal to league)  
 
:But, the fundamental of wiki project is : the edit will be judged by other, and instead of outright revert back and forth, communicate with the editor and forming consensus. I am well patient enough for not nuke all of your edit and give out block. But if you want to assume bad faith on me, you can request a block . [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 11:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Your attitude continues to come off as smug and unpleasant. Don't let an ego-trip like attitude overshadow your contributions to the wiki. Calling out "lack of game knowledge" is rude, and fundamentally wrong when you're missing the point that was made in the suggestion (no one is conflating both league and expansion, but rather suggesting that giving users a view of leagues and expansions side by side chronologically may be helpful for those interested in changes to the game, akin to what is provided in [[Version history]]. With comments like these, one does not need to "assume" bad faith.
 
:: If you are editing other people's work, please make sure that you are checking your grammar and syntax when adding sentences or changing existing text. Several edits that you made to the [[League]] page I had to go back and fix myself. Moreover, when changing other people's edits, try to limit it to specific issues you find and not things that are personal preference to you. Furthermore, when calling out errors in an article, don't assume that terminology used in titles is newly introduced by the current editor and call them out without doing your due diligence (example: the use of the term "League Flags" was present in the [[League]] article before my first editing pass (https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=League&oldid=1321018).
 
:: Lastly, don't assume that everyone is a veteran editor. This is a volunteer position and there's a lot of new people figuring out how the wiki works and getting used to the manual of style. If you see mistakes, be nice and constructive, or you will continue to get backlash from others. While you've been hostile from the start, I've reached out to several other editors, all who have been friendly, helpful, and constructive with their feedback. This is what I see all throughout the discord channels as well -- don't be the odd one out. All edits and criticism are welcome, as long as they are constructive.
 
:: --[[User:Vanlioko|Vanlioko]] ([[User talk:Vanlioko|talk]]) 19:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:::It still the same. You used the existing wrong info and instead of correct it, extend the incorrect usage by calling Ruthless mode "flag". Also, the original wording was "SSF Hardcore has the hardcore and SSF flags", but you interpreted as "league flag" which is totally another thing. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 20:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Spaces before commas ==
 
Hi Neo. Please remember:  In English there is never a space before a comma.  :)
 
—[[User:Nighty|Nighty]] ([[User_talk:Nighty|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Nighty|c]]) 04:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Probably casually typed the content. But can you point out where i did that? [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Or sometimes I copy and paste the stuff that accidentally also copied the space. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 10:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
:: https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=The_Feral_Lord_V&curid=16889&diff=1344359&oldid=1344358
:: —[[User:Nighty|Nighty]] ([[User_talk:Nighty|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Nighty|c]]) 10:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== "the dev" ==
 
would you please refrain from using the term "the dev"? there are 73 hits for this term on the wiki, and im pretty sure that you've written every one. 90% of the time even referring to the developers in the article's main body is unnecessary, and the last 10% "the dev" is an unprofessional & inappropriate term. "the developers", "GGG", etc. if you must. not to mention that the grammar is highly questionable, as "the dev" implies that there is one single developer. [[User:Bloonpauper|Bloonpauper]] ([[User talk:Bloonpauper|talk]]) 11:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 
== Recoup undo ==
 
I had removed the item [[Victario's Flight]] since it no longer has a [[Recoup]] mod, which was removed in 3.19. There are legacy variants that have the mod, but that doesn't warrant it being included on the page as far as I know. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small>—Preceding [[Help:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dreddie|Dreddie]] ([[User talk:Dreddie#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dreddie|contribs]]) 12:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)</small>
 
:I already said again the item is still exist and not remove from the game. Unlike some legacy item that reworked and whole mechanic disappeared . It is notable enough to mention as probably the only item on boot slot have that mod. [[User:Neokowloon|Neokowloon]] ([[User talk:Neokowloon|talk]]) 12:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 
:: The current version of the boots does not have the mod. The only way to get one with it is to obtain the legacy version through trading in Standard. If legacy items are to be included, then for example [[Spirited Response]] should also be included (it is drop disabled, but still available in Standard trade). I remember reading in the Wiki guidelines that pages should mainly reflect the current state of Path of Exile - historical things should be in a separate section if really needed. [[User:Dreddie|Dreddie]] ([[User talk:Dreddie|talk]]) 13:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
 
::: You are right, but legacy variants aren't historical. They exist in the game right now. I think it's okay to leave the note there. —[[User:Vinifera7|Vini]] ([[User talk:Vinifera7|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Vinifera7|c]]) 13:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 02:55, 3 October 2023

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Dangers of reflect section

Hello, you recently reverted an edit I made removing the "Dangers of damage reflection" section from the damage reflection wiki page. I made a section in the talk page where we can discuss this further? SerpentofSet (talk) 02:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Regarding your reverts

The reason why I put Metamorph map is because the Template:Item link is not working with Graveyard Map, Academy Map, Iceberg Map and Ivory Temple Map, however the link in the text itself was not pointing to Metamorph series but to the base map, but you should know this better. Instead of mass reverting my editions. The link was purely visual for the effect of the hover.

This works Graveyard MapGraveyard MapMap Level: 69
Map Tier: 2
Guild Character: N
Unknown legacies.
Untold stories.
Travel to this Map by using it in a personal Map Device. Maps can only be used once.

While this does not Graveyard MapGraveyard MapMap Level: 72
Map Tier: 5
Guild Character: N
Unknown legacies.
Untold stories.
Travel to this Map by using it in a personal Map Device. Maps can only be used once.
.

So, could you please revert your edits or should I do it myself? --Eduemoni (talk) 00:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Eduemoni, just use [[Graveyard Map]]. Graveyard Map (Metamorph) is not the main article of the map and contain no info. You way still show up the wrong map icon. Neokowloon (talk) 10:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


Also, once the map is back on atlas. Your way will just add strain to other to fix it again. So that just remove il for every link to main map article is fine. Neokowloon (talk) 10:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
No, it will not. Compare changing [[Graveyard Map]] to {{il:Graveyard Map}} while changing {{il|page=Graveyard Map (Invasion)|link=Graveyard Map}} to {{il|Graveyard Map}}. It will even be helpful. --Eduemoni (talk) 15:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm not certain why the |link= parameter even exists. It really shouldn't ever be used. You're better off leaving it as a plain link for now until I get around to improving the template to better handle map series. —Vini (t|c) 15:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
|link= do have its function in mentioning the map in patch note. E.g. the very old patch note that mentioning new T10 map and use the Original map series as icon. Neokowloon (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Unleash article

Added the formulas.--Candy (talk) 22:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

stl Template

I recently thought about an updated stl that has the same functionallity as Item link, are there any current plans to implement something like this

Editing and commenting attitude

You should consider dialing back your overly-aggressive attitude toward editors and over-editing people's work. One thing is to contribute to standardizing things in the wiki and contributing toward the improvement of the project overall, and another is being overly critical of people's work to the extent that you are editing their work to match your very specific wants and needs. People contribute to this wiki for free, and are donating their time and effort to do so. You make others not want to contribute at all, which is a detriment to the project in general. --Vanlioko (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

It is not constructive if you edit someone else signature as well as use your own level 1 title page style while almost every other articles use level 2. It is acceptable for lack of game knowledge such as mixing up league and expansion. (e.g. this expansion 3.20 have mid-league mini-race league, aka "event", so that expansion never equal to league)
But, the fundamental of wiki project is : the edit will be judged by other, and instead of outright revert back and forth, communicate with the editor and forming consensus. I am well patient enough for not nuke all of your edit and give out block. But if you want to assume bad faith on me, you can request a block . Neokowloon (talk) 11:39, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Your attitude continues to come off as smug and unpleasant. Don't let an ego-trip like attitude overshadow your contributions to the wiki. Calling out "lack of game knowledge" is rude, and fundamentally wrong when you're missing the point that was made in the suggestion (no one is conflating both league and expansion, but rather suggesting that giving users a view of leagues and expansions side by side chronologically may be helpful for those interested in changes to the game, akin to what is provided in Version history. With comments like these, one does not need to "assume" bad faith.
If you are editing other people's work, please make sure that you are checking your grammar and syntax when adding sentences or changing existing text. Several edits that you made to the League page I had to go back and fix myself. Moreover, when changing other people's edits, try to limit it to specific issues you find and not things that are personal preference to you. Furthermore, when calling out errors in an article, don't assume that terminology used in titles is newly introduced by the current editor and call them out without doing your due diligence (example: the use of the term "League Flags" was present in the League article before my first editing pass (https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=League&oldid=1321018).
Lastly, don't assume that everyone is a veteran editor. This is a volunteer position and there's a lot of new people figuring out how the wiki works and getting used to the manual of style. If you see mistakes, be nice and constructive, or you will continue to get backlash from others. While you've been hostile from the start, I've reached out to several other editors, all who have been friendly, helpful, and constructive with their feedback. This is what I see all throughout the discord channels as well -- don't be the odd one out. All edits and criticism are welcome, as long as they are constructive.
--Vanlioko (talk) 19:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
It still the same. You used the existing wrong info and instead of correct it, extend the incorrect usage by calling Ruthless mode "flag". Also, the original wording was "SSF Hardcore has the hardcore and SSF flags", but you interpreted as "league flag" which is totally another thing. Neokowloon (talk) 20:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Spaces before commas

Hi Neo. Please remember: In English there is never a space before a comma.  :)

Nighty (t|c) 04:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Probably casually typed the content. But can you point out where i did that? Neokowloon (talk) 10:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Or sometimes I copy and paste the stuff that accidentally also copied the space. Neokowloon (talk) 10:27, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
https://www.poewiki.net/index.php?title=The_Feral_Lord_V&curid=16889&diff=1344359&oldid=1344358
Nighty (t|c) 10:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

"the dev"

would you please refrain from using the term "the dev"? there are 73 hits for this term on the wiki, and im pretty sure that you've written every one. 90% of the time even referring to the developers in the article's main body is unnecessary, and the last 10% "the dev" is an unprofessional & inappropriate term. "the developers", "GGG", etc. if you must. not to mention that the grammar is highly questionable, as "the dev" implies that there is one single developer. Bloonpauper (talk) 11:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Recoup undo

I had removed the item Victario's Flight since it no longer has a Recoup mod, which was removed in 3.19. There are legacy variants that have the mod, but that doesn't warrant it being included on the page as far as I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreddie (talkcontribs) 12:33, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I already said again the item is still exist and not remove from the game. Unlike some legacy item that reworked and whole mechanic disappeared . It is notable enough to mention as probably the only item on boot slot have that mod. Neokowloon (talk) 12:47, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
The current version of the boots does not have the mod. The only way to get one with it is to obtain the legacy version through trading in Standard. If legacy items are to be included, then for example Spirited Response should also be included (it is drop disabled, but still available in Standard trade). I remember reading in the Wiki guidelines that pages should mainly reflect the current state of Path of Exile - historical things should be in a separate section if really needed. Dreddie (talk) 13:17, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
You are right, but legacy variants aren't historical. They exist in the game right now. I think it's okay to leave the note there. —Vini (t|c) 13:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)