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WOW!

Looks impressive, but... I think I'm out now. Transformed the new table structure to de* today and it seems that most of the new templates etc again are not accessable cross-language (noticed with the new 'header' template, which first worked not at all, and then (copied) did not get the background colour). Since I guess (and it seems that) the new styles are spread over the whole wiki, I really cant and wont imagine to adapt all this one-by-one manually; and even less under the still very annoying login problems. --Mr.Cee (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm still chasing people to get those *very* annoying issues resolved. I'll shoot you a pm on the forum when they are. You've been a huge help on this site, so I hope you'll come back when it's all resolved. Iamacyborg (talk) 17:36, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

The header template includes a class that needs to be added to MediaWiki:Common.css. -- Wynthyst talk 17:41, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Seems that the new layout transformed well for the german sites too, didnt looked into the depth for now. Thanks! --Mr.Cee (talk) 08:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Now for the details: (Of course,) the change only affects the general style of the site (the look), and not the coded formatting, like the header template. Can somebody explain to me, what causes this general change? Is it just setting beside/behind the site's code?--Mr.Cee (talk) 08:51, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep, the change was a CSS skin only, there was no change to the underlying HTML structure of the website itself. The change was applied through a modification of the Vector.css files which affect the way the website displays. This can be done in one of two ways, either changing Mediawiki:Vector.css or actually changing the files that are in the /skins folder. Iamacyborg (talk) 19:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Quest Templates

I've been working on a template for the Quest Rewards (Template:Quest Rewards Row and Template:Quest Rewards Top. They work as intended, from your page you can call upon the template with a variable and you get the table row on your page, but all the information is currently implemented in the template. I was thinking about using wiki categories to make it automatically generate the info like a database, but I'm not sure if that could work. --Splinturr (talk) 09:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

The category system in wiki software doesn't actually work in the way you are thinking. There are ways to use wiki templates to store data which can then be output in various ways by formatting templates, but it's quite complicated and requires careful planning. For now, we should just focus on putting up all the static information we can since the wiki is far from complete. —Vinifera7 (talk) 10:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I was afraid that would be the case. We have to find a way to verify all the rewards though, because some aren't filled in on the Quest Rewards page but are filled in on the Quest page itself. Maybe get the info from the Google Doc that's floating around? --Splinturr (talk) 10:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Time To Reorganise?

We've got a whole load of new pages that could be really useful to link from the homepage, and I think a general tidy is in order anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what they'd like to see or how they'd like to see it formatted? Curse produced that beginner's guide video that could fit really well on the homepage as well. Iamacyborg (talk) 19:35, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Reoganisation of the main page: depends on inagionation about amount and structure of the new content to make a guess... In de.* I already moved non-item related links from the left side to the Wraeclat general section righthands (like suggested some time ago). I'm not sure about the "future" of the Item Affix and Modifiers pages, seems to be a redunant topic to me, even for the actual slightly different content. Beginner video: probably add to the arpb guide/introduction page, or if there is more to come, an own tutorials page like I use in de.* ? --Mr.Cee (talk) 12:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I think there should be a link to more information about the difficulties on the main page. Grysh (talk) 15:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

The classes section is way too big. Class is fairly non-important in this game, this isn't diablo II where class is everything. I imagine people come to the wiki looking for a very specific piece of information, the main page try to make it easy for people to find what they're looking for. I would do something like this: User:Malice/Proposed_main_page. There might be better ways of laying it out but I like the idea of having all the main stuff linked there. There's a lot of red links there but a lot of them could be filled by re-directs. I'm going to write a bunch of articles to fill the rest soon. — Malice (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I like it, but it needs something to break up the text. Looks incredibly intimidating for a newcomer like that I think. Iamacyborg (talk) 22:23, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah it is pretty dense, but at least everything is available there and bot buried behind multiple clicks. I'm too busy updating the skill pages right now to design a sexy main page. — Malice (talk) 13:31, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

It really needs an update soon though, the most prominent links (classes and boss monsters) are either not terribly useful, or mainly just copy-pasted text from the website. I'd wager most visitors come to see the gem leveling tables, investigate certain mechanics, or find out how to get past tree roots - not read duplicated flavour text from the official site. — Malice (talk) 13:41, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Unique List

Please put a link to the Full Uniques List after the Unique Items link. I bookmarked it anyway, but I think the main page ought to have links to the most frequently accessed things. General information about uniques in the game is nice, but I think people would most often be looking for the complete list. CaleGibbard (talk) 06:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey, looking at Google Analytics it looks like the full index isn't any more popular than the individual pages, so I'm not sure it's worth putting on the homepage. Particularly as it's fairly prominently placed on the Unique Items page. Iamacyborg (talk) 10:18, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Quivers

A link to Quivers needs to be added to this page.--FaceLicker (talk) 15:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

External Link Formatting

|'''<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.exilepro.com/builds Character Builds]</span>'''
'''<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.exilepro.com/forums/general/general-discussion Build Discussions]</span>'''

Links to external sites shouldn't be formatted the same as internal wiki links. There are good reasons why external links are normally and consistently formatted differently. I would change it, but I'm not allowed :P -AnnanFay (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I've been wanting to fix this, but never got around to it. I have removed the plainlinks styles from the links you mentioned and the news feed. —Vinifera7 (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Are we ever going to rework the front page?

I know there was a conversation a while ago about rearranging things and deciding what links were most important. Is there still any interest in that?Magnanimous2 (talk) 05:43, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes there is. If you have an idea for it you can create a demo in your userspace for us to review. —Vini ^(t|c) 14:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Here is what I came up with for a first draft. Not sure which links should be added or removed, so I'd like a second opinion. Also I feel like there should be a picture somewhere instead of just walls of text, but I couldn't decide what or where... Magnanimous2 (talk) 01:48, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

It's a little drab, but a good start. The most important thing is to link to the content areas that people would most likely want to view the most, such as skills and items. —Vini ^(t|c) 02:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Would seeing the top 50 landing pages on the site help at all? Might give you a good indicator of what people are searching for and what information they're after. Iamacyborg (talk) 08:45, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

That would probably help. I've also asked around a little in global chat and talked to my friends, and a lot of people said they come to the wiki to look up uniques and the range of stats that uniques can roll. Finding out what quality does on each skill gem was also mentioned, so I added that link in the skills section.

This is the current revision... I re-added (and shrunk) the exile pictures and changed the layout, so it isn't just a wall of text. Magnanimous2 (talk) 09:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll get you those details asap. It might be worth seeing if we can add links to the stuff that'll be new for 1.0.0 like the Scion and the new Trigger Gems, people will definitely want to know about those. Iamacyborg (talk) 12:38, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Here's a link to the top 50 landing pages on the wiki for the month of September: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_xAY_A7rQKheVZ2UXZsMzA0LXc/edit?usp=sharing I'm more than happy to grab any more info you might find useful. Unfortunately thanks to the changes google have made to Keyword data, I'm not able to see what the top keywords people are using to get to the site, which would have been really helpful Iamacyborg (talk) 14:10, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that definitely helps. I added links to Waypoint and Chat Console, and moved the item mechanics section higher since it's so popular.

I guess now we just need to make the 1.0 pages, or at least start them. Also do you know where the exile pictures on the front page came from? Right now the scion is a kiwi. Magnanimous2 (talk) 04:09, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Looks great to me, and I'd be more than happy to make that the homepage once 1.0.0 goes live. The exile pictures are from Closed Beta, it'll probably be worth switching to the images available on this page once the new content goes live. Iamacyborg (talk) 12:43, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Just an idea: maybe you could add a link to the Rogue Exiles under the 'Bestiary' tab, since they will be roaming all leagues in Wraeclast after release. The frontpage looks good! SirProblematique 22:50, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

That sounds good, thanks. I just added the link. Magnanimous2 (talk) 02:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

New cahracter images are available here: https://www.pathofexile.com/game Iamacyborg (talk) 16:48, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been talking with the owner of Path of POE who's interested in getting an RSS block on the new wiki homepage showing the 4 latest builds submitted to the site. Can we rework the new page slightly to fit that in? I'll build the RSS side of things. Iamacyborg (talk) 09:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

That sounds really cool. Do you know how much space it would need? I'll probably just add another column to the right of gameplay mechanics and community. Also do you want to make any changes to the Community section? There's a few good fan sites we could link to (although there's already the fan portal), and I'm not sure if people use the IRC channel these days. Magnanimous2 (talk) 10:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

There'll be 4 items max in the block and the titles don't tend to be too long so it shouldn't need a huge amount of space. With regards to the community block I think it could be used more as a starting point to show people how to join in and edit the wiki, I can make that change myself this evening. I've wanted to create the fan portal section as a series of articles about individual fan sites as I think there's a little more value in that for all sides involves, but it involves more work. Iamacyborg (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I've improved the crafting page (not done yet, but will work on it tonight) and i thought it maybe deserved a place on the frontpage... what do you think? SirProblematique

Sure, that looks pretty good. I added the link. Magnanimous2 (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Are we ready to make the switch? :) Iamacyborg (talk) 11:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I don't see why not. The old front page isn't getting any fresher. —Vini ^(t|c) 11:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Cool beans, I'll make the switch now. Iamacyborg (talk) 11:50, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The History of Wraeclast article link on main page?

There is currently not a single link to the History of Wraeclast article, or any kind of lore really. Might want to include that in the "The World" box. Cilibinarii (talk) 18:00, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I see you've put a lot of work in that article since release! I second this, the proletariat rises for front-page lore!

FootHands (talk) 11:14, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Updates

Some suggestions, since the front page hasn't been edited in a few weeks:

• Add | 6 to Races
• Link the PoE twitter page in Community
• Link the PoE subreddit in Community (it's very active, and they do have a link to us)
• Change the wiki IRC link to #pathofexile (there were 136 people online when I checked it out)
• Add History of Wraeclast under a new Lore subheading
• The patch notes box is pretty empty, so maybe list the three or four most recent? Then bold content patches to stand out against bug fixes.
• This is actually in the sidebar, but is exilestats.com still active/worth linking? Their front page still has Anarchy and Onslaught ladders...

Magnanimous2 (talk) 12:38, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping up with this. I will try to get around to updating that this weekend. —Vini (t|c) 13:21, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Season 6 has been added. Adding Twitter and the subreddit make sense, I'll do those right away as well. Do we want to change to the #pathofexile IRC or the general Gamepedia one? Or both? Lore would fit well as a subheading under the "world" section I think, does anyone disagree? 3-4 patch notes makes sense. I also need to tidy up the RSS template and remove the article dates and times. Is there something we should replace it with or simply remove altogether? I like supporting community sites with links where it makes sense. Iamacyborg (talk) 13:30, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Lore would make most sense in the World section, probably by the Wraeclast subsection (after the Maps link or something). Cilibinarii (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Sacrifice of the Vaal

Well it's finally time to change the leagues on the front page... Also it may be worth adding links to Strongbox and Corrupted Area. And Vaal Skill Gems. Probably other stuff. Magnanimous2 (talk) 08:16, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you to update the league links. Not sure about your other suggestions though. The home page already contains 152 links, which is far too much for anyone but trained wiki editors. For a newcomer, it may take more than 1 minute to read it entirely. I'd rather see links removed than added. We don't currently have links to "Melee skill gem", "Aura skill gem" or "Fire skill gem", so why add "Vaal skill gem"? Don't you think that people looking for those Vaal gems will just click the existing "Skill Gems" link and reach the exact same page as your redirect? What we really need, in my opinion, is a clean SotV article highlighted on the home page. This article would contain the links you suggest. Also, I expect a lot of users to search information about the 60 new bosses. They deserve their own page, I think, and this page should also be linked from the SotV article. Chriskang (talk) 10:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right that it might be time to cut down on the number of links a little. I've updated the page to show the new one leagues for the moment. Iamacyborg (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Chriskang. Would it make sense to use the version 1.1.0 page for the SotV info or no? I feel like there's no reason we can't include more info than merely patch notes on a version page. We can create a redirect from Sacrifice of the Vaal. Does this seem reasonable or should we keep the pages separate. —Vini (t|c) 14:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

For now, I don't mind a single page. We can still split it later if needed. Chriskang (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)